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[GENERAL] The Sakamichi Series group thread

Discussion in 'General Nogizaka46 Discussion' started by kanjo, Apr 11, 2017.

  1. Kumosayi

    Kumosayi Kenkyuusei

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    That would fix the issue with Keyakizaka's number of members, but would just transfer the problem to Hinatazaka instead :p

    But if the girls get to choose what group they want to join, I doubt Hinatazaka will get more than 1-2 new members, with Nogi and Keyakizaka sharing the rest.
     
  2. bananaboy

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    Should we said it great, but where is my photo? :awesome:

    i remember someone mentioned that -ono surname kinda common in kagoshima.
     
  3. gish0046

    gish0046 Upcoming Girls

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    I don't think Nogi needs any more members for awhile. IMO they should give all of them to Hinata. Let them have a true Senbatsu/Unders system.

    Keyaki 2nd gen hasn't even been a part of a single yet and they haven't even announced one so I don't see the point in giving them more members.
     
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  4. hart123

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    Sorry, I don't mean to bring the heat back. But let me throw my 2cents.
    If we want to talk about career, what kind of career? Assume that we talk about members' career.

    Let's do some comparison between Nogi's under and Keyaki's regular senbatsu.

    In Nogi, under/unpopular members has plenty of jobs.
    Stage play, radio guest, variety show, drama, even regular tv program.
    Everyone has their chance.

    In Keyaki, apart from top members, it seems like they haven't been given enough chance to 'show' themselves. So it's difficult for them to develop their career.

    Keyaki is solid and very good as a group, but if we talk about ''members' career'', it's different.

    I'm not saying that Nogi is a better choice. But what I'm trying to say is that Keyaki needs to do something new or different, so all the members can reach their full potential.

    Well in the end, it depends on how these girls want to do with their career. So yeah...
     
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  5. Rev4

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    Fair enough. No matter how they do it it will never solve Hinata's senbatsu/under for this round until the 4th gen audition.

    Nogi just had 5 members graduated this year and I don't think the grad season is over for the group yet. If members have the freedom to choose group then probably a big chunk of trainee members want to join Nogi. I think though that 5-6 members might go to Keya and 7-8 members to Nogi. 2 members to Hinata would make them 21 members and 22 with Kage who is still studying. Hiyotan just have a hiatus but will be back soon. 22 members is a better number than 26.

    If I have to guess when this takes action, probably next year and not by the end of this year. As trainee they can do a Omotenashikai together so the fans learn to know them better.
     
  6. minaeshi

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    Anyway, I don't know if there is a need to add new girls to any of the groups right now. Nogi has begun promoting their 4th gen members, and as more 1st gen members graduate, 3rd (and 2nd but slowly lol) gen members are taking their senbatsu spots and creating a more fresh looking group for the general public. Keyaki's 2nd gen haven't even had their debut single and the group hasn't had their 2nd single of the year yet. The gap between keyaki with neru and hiragana to keyaki without neru and hiragana, plus aoi's return and 2nd gens debut, is a lot to take in, adding more girls would confuse things I think. Hinata are only in their 1st year of major debut and people are still getting to know them. I would like to them to finish the year on a strong note and introduce new girls next year.

    So yeah, I'm kinda opposed to this idea. If the girls stay in the trainee system for a while then that would help a lot. If mgmt do decide to put them in, I would say just give them to Keyaki and Hinata since Nogi has a lot of members already, enough for a undergirls group and senbatsu group. Keyaki and Hinata are both still 'all members in senbatsu' level so we could just give them under groups as well to balance all the groups. Then no more newbies till 2021, please lol
     
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  7. Cristafari

    Cristafari Stage48 Admin Staff Member Stage48 Admin

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    As you can see, most of the last page of posts has been deleted. Cool it with the insults and generalizations.

    Do not resume this ridiculous argument.
     
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  8. sambelteri12

    sambelteri12 Next Girls

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    Great. But i thought all my recent post will be deleted too
     
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  9. Generic_User

    Generic_User Under Girls Stage48 Donor

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    Well that went well...

    If the trainees make it to the new year without being assigned to a group I will be surprised. Most of the last few sakamichi generations have followed a similar pattern: announcement in Aug/Sept, debut in December. I can't imagine this one not being the same. I'm predicting they get assigned by November. Of course, I won't bet on that using my own money.

    What were they doing before this announcement? Where they not practicing? Where they just still living their normal life?

    What would they be doing as trainees? I wish they get a coupling song on the next coming sakamichi singles. Would be fun.
     
  10. Rev4

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    Well, there it is. Senbatsu system for Keyaki. It was bound to happen when they have 26 members and now with upcoming trainee members.

    I think Konno has heard enough about fixed centre complaints. But S&F's message is "you can't have both". Either you have full senbatsu group with fixed centre or senbatsu/under group with centre rotation.

    Tonight it will be a rollercoaster of emotions on Keyakake.
     
  11. innoaloe

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    I just hope it won't be the beginning of Sakamichi's downfall...
    We've seen with AKB that having too many girls is a bad thing already.
     
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  12. delta29

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    well not exactly. if you have a group that has 300 members but only ever push like 5 members in the past 3 years (some of them have been around for 10 YEARS!!!), then yes, its not really a good thing.
    but if you have a group that has something like 100 members but everybody gets a chance to shine, no matter how small that is, then i think, it wont be so bad.
    who came up with this dumb idea? also, Keyaki is not a full senbatsu group, because the 2nd gen is not even in the senbatsu
     
  13. mb1619

    mb1619 Kenkyuusei

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    There's only 15 in this new group, and 21 in the original Nogi 4th/Keya 2nd/Hina 3rd... so 2-3 girls have withdrawn?

    The age range surprised me, older than I was anticipating with having 3 born in the 90s-including one from the '98/'99 Japanese school year. I'd assumed they'd selected for the first round of group allocations with some consideration to age but apparently not.
     
  14. vshav

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    I was just looking about them few days back without any significant finding, and then just a moment after these girls were revealed! Such a coincidence!

    I hope Yumiki Nao ends up in Nogi. Just by looking from her photo profile back from audition I think she's the most attractive. We need another elder sister type in case Maiyan, Matsumura, and Shinuchi graduates (Does Junna count as elder sister type?). So far 3rd gen and 4th gen don't have the oneechan type yet (probably Umezawa comes closest). I read somewhere Yumiki Nao wants to enter Nogi so maybe one day she will?

    The draft/pool of new members system is interesting. Maybe if the 3 sister groups are full, they can make a new group instead. In Exile group this is like the EXPG Girls. As what we've talked in other threads, Nogi LLC (and now maybe S&F too) have started to work more like a talent management agency rather than just an idol group management.

    The phases are like

    Join Sakamichi Kenshusei -> Be an idol in one of Sakamichi Series group -> Graduates -> Has the option to be managed as talent

    And I'm happy the girl who's supposed to be 4th gen is still in. In the leak photo of 4th gen, she looks stunning and refreshing. It was a waste she didn't join 4th gen I thought. Once she joins one of the group, her back story will be interesting to see. Moreover if she joins 5th gen and becomes a kouhai of her own supposed generation!
     
  15. Rev4

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    Both Yumiki Nao and Hikari Endo wants to be in Nogi. Manami Matsuoka withdrew 4gen Nogi due to school.

    There is no new group. Nogi is nearly full with 43 members but they can at least add 3 more members for 4th gen.

    Keya is unbalanced at the moment with having adopted senbatsu/under. Many hoped for a change in centre but apparently 1gen Keya were not strong enough in mngt's eyes and everything is now in 2gen's hands it seems. They have now 17 in senbatsu and only 9 undergirls. Adding more 2gen members will eventually break down "Hirate's image" curse in the group. The fandom in Japan don't seem to be prepared for this meltdown when it's normal for Nogi's fandom and mngt consider it step by step. First it was "21" and now they break down "all member senbatsu". The third and last is "Hirate's image". Adding more 2gen members will push forward Keya to compete on centre position and we finally get a centre rotation in the future.

    Hinata has now 20 members with 3 being on hiatus from activities, adding one more will not make any fuss. I think mngt look at the balance as a whole for all three groups. If they want to increase more members to Hinata they will have to make a new single Hinata audition in the future. Kage is expected to return when she enters university by next year. She is one year younger than Aotan so she will be back. By then Hiyotan has already fully recovered from poor health. What mngt will do with Mao's date scandal is up to them. I don't think she will graduate though as Sayuringo didn't had to in 2014. So far now Hinata is good with "all member senbatsu".
     
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  16. minaeshi

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    I think AKB mostly suffered because they would have AKB members graduate and Sister group members take their place, rather than new gen AKB members. When those girls began to graduate too, it created a huge gap between the remaining popular members (sasshi, sakura, jurina, yukirin) and the remaining akb members in senabtsu, and the general public went from having over 10 known AKB members to one (two plus Miichan but she's not senbatsu so...). That's why we're at the state the 48 group is in now.

    Sakamichi shouldn't have that problem since they've never intermixed Keyaki and Hinata members into Nogi senbatsu. Whenever a prominent Nogi member graduates, a new gen Nogi member or lesser prominent member with potential takes their place. So it keeps fans interested in the group even if their oshimen graduated. There is no need for other groups to participate in Nogi singles because all three of them can sustain the sales themselves. So unless mgmt fuck up so badly that the groups somehow can't stay relevant anymore, I don't see Sakamichi falling into the same hole 48 groups dug into since Acchan graduated..
     
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  17. towiti

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    Aww man I missed something didn't I?

    The #7 girl (Takahashi Mikuni) looks hella sharp. I think she fits Keya, but I'm a Nogi fan, so hopefully she go there! She reminds me of Komatsu Nana.
     
  18. bananaboy

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    nice pov. I hope this transition really happen, and smoothly, tho' so late.
    Well, imo keya first gen is strong enough but their daddies in mgmt has favoritism that keep repeating and end as somekind of gap between them. It's not joke anymore if there feel that they treat rest keya first gen as mere backdancer. with all the negativity toward tecchi(which not to blame) is understandable they need to break the loop.
     
  19. Halyup

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    It also makes you wonder Who's really in charged in choosing the Senbatsu ; Is it Konno ; Akp or just a Seed and Flower thing since there's some similarities between Hina and Keya in this regard?

    They even dropped their best Dancer and contender to the reserves to keep their narrative. They also didn't value Handshake sales since they both dropped and put to the reserves their best sellers.
    They love their socialist rotation that much.
     
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  20. bananaboy

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    Lol Yeah, i wonder what stand behind the mighty and shady word of mgmt.
    Im not sure if the guy like konno has much to say since he like field manager--bridge to members?(cmiiw) i guess he has more input on running the show rather than directly responsible in selecting the girls
    I remember watching amachan and I think its safe to say guy like Akp(or echelon on that level) has nothing but final decision on their meeting.

    Yeah, they definitely plan something by let girl like suzumon as their under(which safe to bet their UC)
     
  21. biboloxo

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    Sony has never really cared about handshake sales. Otherwise they will never let that many top members of Nogi free from participating individual HS. A good explanation to why they left out those girls is that those girls are considering of graduating from the group soon.
     
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