[GENERAL] The Sakurazaka46 / Keyakizaka46 Thread

thats a fair point, sorry about that. editted my posts

 

being 48g and sakamichi series is not the point, being more clear in our post is.

this is not a style guide.

 

Oh yeah i forgot that they have pretty much the same nickname. Sorry!

 

Well, I remember that Naako and Nako are different girl.

And to put an end, I'll use Fuuchan for Yagura Fuuko and Fuu/Fuyuka for Saito Fuyuka.
My subjective term. Feel free to use yours.

 

being considerate when asking for favors? I find it quite ridiculous that talking about the 48group ( which is not even the main point in the first place) is considered impolite. Hell, it's even logical that i use it because knowing 200 girls + their nicknames is still hard to do even for us fan. Something that has less impact if i quote sakamichi series.

But as a said that has nothing to do with it. Someone who use the nickname of a Nogizaka third gen, i would say the same thing. And instead of someone asking each time who we refer too, a little () with the name would considerably be more convenient. Of course with super popular member, my remark is less important. Though, someone asked recently what "techi" meant.

It's not a personal ask. More like forum well-being. Instead of me telling people what to do, i ask them to be more conscious on how they write; we can continue speak of the members using zuumin, rotti, etc but for newcomer it makes the reading opaque. I remember that once, people were all using nickname when i entered the fandom and it is was a bad experience for me to go back and forth to 48-46 profile page to know what the conversation is about.

the reason why you didn't note the struggle between nicknames is that unfortunately, people tend to stay tight on their sub thread and don't mix. For someone like me who travel the whole stage, i can tell you it becomes confusing.

 

Now that's an issue that really irritate me.

I, am, a keyakizaka fan.

I'm absolutely uttered when reading "asking us to go out of our way to make it easier for 48gr-first fans". You don't want me to take it personal, but you exclude me from the 46 point of view, like i don't understand it. Did you just assume i favor one side compared to another, which in this case is 48group over 46group? I'm not going back on my 48group example. It's used to illustrate how difficult it is to remember all girl's name and nicknames, not to antagonize 46 and 48. I have NO side.

Even more worrying, you argue that my remark weigh less because it's a one sided request from a 48g point of view and it's a unfair treatment because 48g wants to have it their way. There's NO discrimination of behavior between 48 & 46 simply because my remark is meant to anyone.

To make it easier for 48gr fans is a non-issue. Keyakizaka46 is a young fanbase. middle schooler, high schooler, people too young to have started with AKB. To use nickname from non popular members will be as much confusing. Probably not Techi, she is Keyaki center... but if someone start Nogizaka fandom and you talk about rotti, do you really think he will conclude it's kawamura mahiro??

You called it a 48g centric request and it's just plain wrong. To make it looks like an issue depending of our affinity is outrageous.

I am not biaised.

 

Well i think it's time for everyone to care a little bit more about others, wherever they come from.

as you said, we get use to nicknames. But to not feel like helping people from outside because "it's not a 46g problem", is really sad. You see your self interest but neglect the needs of potential new fans.

What's more, the one sided behavior that you claim is yet to prove.

 

Did anybody try the chicken?
I thought the chicken was delicious.

But... aren't they? lol

Nogi and Keyaki might have a different number, but they're basically SG to AKB except for not intervening in HS and so on.
Nogizaka singing Aitakatta and Hebirote? HKT singing SaiMajo?
The 4846 dream team over the summer?

Yeah, totally not related to 48G at all.

... and now I wait to be burned like the witch I am.

 

Did anyone watch the new keyabingo? I thought Saito Fuyuka's reply was hilarious. .

 

Tbh, with even 200+ girls who are active, let alone including grads, I'm surprised we haven't encountered this nickname issue before! So credit to the members for continuously finding new pet names for themselves till now?

That aside, and as someone who also likes floating around the different groups, I always thought we never had an issue before was because everything was contextual? Even with the current case, I would rarely associate Fuuchan with Yagura Fuuko on a Keyaki thread, nor would I assume they were talking about Saito Fuyuka if Fuuchan was used on an NMB thread, because they've barely interacted between each other anyway (though we'll see if that still holds true in a few years ^_^ )

And for the case of new fans, if they have trouble searching for the "right Fuuchan", shouldn't they feel okay with asking a simple enough question on the forum? We all have to start somewhere, and existing fans should help the new ones so that this fandom grows; If new fans don't feel they can do that then we have a bigger problem than just members having the same nickname.

Of course, if we don't want the general thread to clog up with "new-fan" questions, then start a group's Q and A thread! It's not that hard, and I've often wondered why only a couple of groups have them




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I asked many times who was who in NMB thread. I just don't know who Aapon is, nor saeppi, etc.

And for god sake i used 48group to make an example. Not to put 48&46 in the same basket.

If we're just going to make circle let's just end it here.

 

If we're in the Keyakizaka section, Fuuchan is Saito. If we're in the NMB section Fuuchan is Yagura. Just take a step back and remember which section you're in and there shouldnt be a problem.
There's just really no reason to have a fight over this, its such a small matter.

 

And I understand that too; I don't really care about the "48-46G" war, and I'm not saying there is much of a divide between the two Groups anyway because, whatever the hardcore fans might say, as @Trinu said 46 and 48 are basically operating as sister groups at this point (cousin groups maybe? )

I just wanted to highlight the point which (I think) you wanted to highlight, in that new fans won't automatically know who "Fuuchan" is, which is why I wanted to point out that this shouldn't be something that matters much, but also something that clearly isn't being resolved either. The fact that you say this:

Emphasises the problems I think you're trying to point out, which shouldn't be there if we want a fandom such as this to grow.

Long story short: I can see your point, I can see what @kanjo was talking about, and I'm trying to bridge what appears to be two different issues.
Or, I'm trying to force square pegs into round holes, and we can just call it a night/day/whatever-time it is on your side of the world on this topic

 

HERE YE HERE YE. LETS SPREAD MORE LOVE TO WHICHEVER FUUCHAN IT IS WHETHER IF BE SAITO FUYUKA, YAGURA FUUKO OR THE FUUCHAN I KNOW IN MY CLASS. SPREAD LOVE BROTHERS