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[GENERAL] The AKB48 Thread

Discussion in 'General AKB48 Discussion' started by Kyobu, Jun 16, 2007.

  1. karles48

    karles48 Member Stage48 Donor

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    It seems that Umechan, Moeno and some other members have become some kind of 'ambassadors', because they are almost always in all the performances abroad...and I'm not sure whether that's a good sign (for them, I mean) or a bad one... [think]
     
  2. JAKKfromAKB48

    JAKKfromAKB48 Kenkyuusei

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    Is there a list for celebrities they want to see in a CM because I'm positive AKB48 will be in the top 3 on that list too.
     
  3. chiuchimu

    chiuchimu Member Stage48 Donor

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    More chances of gettting foriegn fans to oshi them. It will cement over seas fans to them and not Acchan. In an interview, JKT48 members were asked who is your favorite AKB48 member. They answered Takamina. I think the fact that Takamina came to visit them when they were just forming had much to do with her popularity among JKT48.
     
  4. kimunlimited

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    I would like to believe that it might happen, but the fact remains that they likely first learn about Acchan being in the Center before they knew about the other girls.
     
  5. sikanwan

    sikanwan Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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  6. hikki

    hikki Kenkyuusei

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    Lulz at that list. Looks like something out of a gossip rag.

    The ones that make me laugh are Wada Akiko (2) and Hisamoto Masami on there... Wada Akiko is like in only one or two commercials... and I don't recall seeing Hisamoto in any CMs.

    Even people like Ichikawa Ryo and Ichiro are one there... Basically, if they see you on a commercial and they'll mention your name.
     
  7. kimunlimited

    kimunlimited Member Stage48 Donor

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    I got nothing to say about Ricchan. But hell, why placed Reinyan at the second row. :angry:

    It could have been an all Team K front, on a second thought maybe because Reinyan is a bit tall, but I don't like it when she's in the back.
     
  8. GATX105

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    haha, or more chances that they'll figure out they were sent the b group. :)

    anime expo was lucky it was right before akb totally went up in popularity. :)
     
  9. maxaroni

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    KPop idols are way more trained so they tend to have more difficult choreographies and better dancers.

    AKB dances are designed so that anyone can pick them up (including the 12-14 year old girls they add as Kenkyuusei every 6 months), so they're really easy and don't require much energy.

    SKE does have pretty intense dances but even then they all use pretty simple choreography that's used by a load of idol gropus (actually watching the kataomoi finally choreography i've seen a ton of moves that have been in idol dances since like 2000).

    And since the way Kpop and Jpop are marketed it's really hard to compare them properly, especially since realistically Kpop idols are more talented.

    To be frank, the girls in AKB overall aren't that talented musically.
     
  10. jinbaoyin48

    jinbaoyin48 Kenkyuusei

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    i always felt the best dancers are mostly in SDN...i can't seriously think of any outstanding ones from SKE...using SNSD/Kara as example for comparsion is too bad a choice...SNSD/Kara hardly impress me in dance...probably After School/Rania is way better...and there are loads of korean group which is better than SNSD/Kara in terms of dance...
     
  11. petelechem

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    How about Jurina just to mention one as an example?!
     
  12. GATX105

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    I think kpop groups put more premium on dancing so they have harder choreography, train harder for it and probably recruit girls that have more aptitude for dancing. But why even compare jpop and kpop? If you like dancing more and complain about akb dances then you should just watch kpop. :)

    I also think it's premature to conclude that the "good" ske dancers can't also perform some of the kpop choreography. we probably have not seen their full dancing potential and it's likely that we never will since the choreography they're called upon to do is jpop choreography not kpop choreography. It's not a korean thing after all since namie amuro can certainly dance and there have been several more dance-inclined jpop groups that are good dancers as well.

    :)
     
  13. jinbaoyin48

    jinbaoyin48 Kenkyuusei

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    ^
    i don't think i criticize them...just say there isn't outstanding ones...and i guess when they will unlock their potential in dancing...and you mention more emphasis on dancing in kpop is not 100% right...there are terrific vocals as well...but at least Sato Mieko in SKE stands up head and shoulder in terms of vocals in SKE despite her height...which i can name immediately and not like dance which i think and think still can't name any...for jurina...well average in my opinion...only me so don't think too much into in...there's always other reasons to support her...
     
  14. GATX105

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    ^
    ah I didn't mean dancing was the most important thing in kpop. what I meant was more premium in dancing generally in kpop as compared to jpop especially when you consider japanese idol groups in particular. there's likely more premium in singing as well. so basically performing talent. :)

    I think there's also some jpop groups that are more comparable in terms of singing and dancing talent. idol groups are just the wrong place to look although some of the more promising idols could probably have been trained to perform much better if that was the focus.

    with japanese idols they probably consider other things like girl next door appeal, cuteness, personality, etc. so maybe they pass on probably more "talented" applicants who may not have what they're looking for. and then there's less development of innate performing talent. with kpop groups, they probably don't have to worry about picking and training someone to be a great honmayan. [hehe]
     
  15. karles48

    karles48 Member Stage48 Donor

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    Can't agree with that statement. All AKB dances are not easy and even an easy one may demand a lot of energy, because it usually doesn't depend on the difficulty but on the speed...
     
  16. joooooooooe

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    I agree with this even though it was 4 pages ago when we were first arguing about it, lol.

    I also wonder if they really use sharper moves, or if they're more strict with how exacting they have to be.

    We'll never know if AKB or SKE have the potential to do a K-pop dance because as far as I know, they never have and they're not showing any indication that they will. Perhaps some can, perhaps some can't.

    A majority of them are easy and not very tiring. The dance instructions on the DVDs are pretty easy to follow and it doesn't take a long time to learn. Many of the moves aren't particularly difficult, don't have you exerting a lot of force, and they don't have you moving around a lot compared to say, EXILE.

    Did someone say EXILE?
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ULzaDYxWwo[/yt]
     
  17. jinbaoyin48

    jinbaoyin48 Kenkyuusei

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    if we don't take into account the difficulty of dance move...AKB cause of its constant lip-syncing habit...have more energy to concentrate on dance move... [wonder]
     
  18. maxaroni

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    When I say easy i mean not very complex and easy to pick up. While energy is kind of variable even the highest energy songs (Songs that get the energy in the audience highest, like shonichi and Korogaru and Aitakatta) don't use a whole lot of Energy.

    To put it in perspective, Team N learned the entirety of K2 in 2 days.

    The original Team A, who hadn't debuted or performed anywhere (save for a few members), learned A1 in about a month.

    Team K, Team B and Team A learned their current stages in one week.

    It doesn't take much training to learn the dances that AKB does which is why they seem appealing to the girls audition (that and they're the most popular idol group, but when 4th-6th gen were audition they had an image of being a group anyone could join)
     
  19. kimunlimited

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    There's a lot of variables to consider about how difficult a choreography is, we might as well try to dance both to see which one is more difficult. [hehe]

    BTW some more video of the Beijing visit.
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAbWWxpoIVA[/yt]
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsx9s01_gaA[/yt]
     
  20. chiuchimu

    chiuchimu Member Stage48 Donor

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    Re: THE AKB48 thread!

    Kpopers trying to one up on Jpop. Whats New? LOL. I don't visit Kpop sites, Why would a Kpoper even come to an AKB site to try and sell their Kpop religion here ? lol. Kpopers are blind fanatics.

    Answer: No Kpop is not harder. You dance the routines and compare. Gyrating your ass in a figure eight is not hard. Fast direction changes in time to a track is. Singing mindless words like Taxi Taxi Taxi or Gee Gee Gee Gee Gee without having a clue how to emotionally phrase them is easy. Recent Kpop songs sound like cheap imitations of American dance grooves. Yeah the CURRENT lineup of K-girls is older than Jpop and the dancing is sexier but all it is is a rip off of American music. Ripping of others takes little creativity and is easy to do. On the other hand Japan has maintain its unique pop song tradition and is going on its own path with supporting fans from all over the world.

    Also, this lie about Kpop Idols training for so long until they are perfect while Jpop sends out 12 year old girls with no skills. I'm guessing this somehow implies Kpop Idols are better performers than Jpop Idols. First, I don't see how training solely off screen like the Koreans do is better than trainings off screen and doing real shows at the same time like the Jpop industry does. They both train, some times Jpop girls mess-up on stage, so what? It's like Kpop Idols are so paranoid of looking bad that they train 12~14 yr old girls for 2~4 years before putting them on stage(Yes, in Kpop the contract is signed when the girls are 12~14, just like Jpop! they work but they don't appear on screen until 14~15). Again, I have to emphasize that during the back stage training that Kpop idols go thru, Jpop Idols are talso raining back stage but they also do live performances and TV appearances. Besides, whats the point in training back stage for so long?, Kpop regardless of all that training make mistakes too. If seen the mistakes -they just scramble to cover the mistakes up.

    Don't try to hide the reality: I know Kpop. I listened to it around 2002. Yuo are not going to get around me. SNSD, TARA etc.. are recent Kpop fades. This new Kpop image just started in 2010! It's all a part of a push from the Korean media industry to grow. Before that, for the longest time Kpop was a lot like Jpop - I would say in an inferior (but simular).

    Here are Kpop and Jpop Idols from the same era 1998~2008 (some are still going ).

    Kpop (these are giants in Kpop world, look them up)

    Sugar - Sweet Love
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrCcMx_R-Y4[/yt]

    Milk - come to Me
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFHNADObyM4[/yt]

    BabyVox -Ya Ya Ya
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loj3DI1hMCI[/yt]

    FinKl - To my Boyfriend
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLbq-t01f7A[/yt]

    Jewelry - Saranghae
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsGT3R-BiUk[/yt]

    ShinVi - Darling
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAo8GB9cI_o[/yt]
    (analysis: Poor cinematography, deliberate high contrast and washing out of image to make girls look prettier than they are, Simple yada yada songs, simple dances, low caliber singing.)

    Jpop (all giants in there time too)

    Speed - Little Dancer
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH2tomMkXKE[/yt]

    Zone - Graduation
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP90BQe1ULo[/yt]

    Morning Musume - Morning Coffee
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1zTityRnO8[/yt]

    Dream - Mov'in on
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFJmhyanAMc[/yt]

    SweetS - Earthship
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZEtuy-sYhA[/yt]

    MI - Give me up
    [yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_YTxJ6zIqI[/yt]
    (better singing, better camera work, deeper lyrics, dance about the same, girls are not that cute but at least they are in focus)

    I actually like this older Kpop. So do many Koreans. I think Kpoper should not make critical comparisons in a Jpop nor should Jpoper criticize Kpop in a Kpop forum. With that said, I'm not one to back away from bringing arguments and facts into a discussion I find false and offensive.
     

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