Generation AKB48 17th Generation

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  1. bonjourmarlene

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    I wish it weren't the case, but twitter and tiktok have sort of Heart Gata Virus because of how much they hype it up... Heart Gata Virus and Warukii tbh. I love both songs, but I need a break from them. So I'm quite happy to hear Avocado Jane~shi, it's in a similar vein and very cute and fun.

    I did some social media searches to see what people are saying about her hanashikai.

    First one I found pasted emojis over the autograph they received, but the tweet says: 'Thanks for a happy and memorable first talk'
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    Second one I found: 'It was really fun to talk and we had a lot of time. The next talk is at the end of the month!'
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    Third one: 'Eri-chan is so cute and energetic <3 I was surprised she remembered me as the takoyaki fan'

    Fourth one: 'It was my first talk with Eri-chan. I was nervous, but it ended up alright because she took the lead. I'm a satisfied oji-san'

    It sounds like the usual to attract fans, remembering them and making an effort to ensure the session is worthwhile even if the fan doesn't know what to say. I think especially being remembered is a huge plus, it's definitely solidified Ran-chan as my oshi that I'm quite certain she knows my name/face. I don't mean for that to downplay her success at all, it's definitely a lot of effort and it's incredible she's putting that effort into her hanashikai!

    I'm also not necessarily surprised her social media views don't reflect her hanashikai popularity. The former is more accessible/comfortable for young fans, and hanashikai is better for older fans, it's what they've been doing for years. In the end, AKB48 cares more about real money than social media clicks (as we can see with their main campaigns), so it should still benefit her in the long run.
     
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  2. gvstavvss

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    There's also Hoshizora (星空), Aichan and Sorara pair. It comes from the last character in their names (佐藤綺 and 山﨑).
     
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  3. donjonnie

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    Thank you @Izzy Trinh @bonjourmarlene @gvstavvss for the insights!
    I also hope Erichan can get more mainstream popularity too, she's still young and will have a lot of time to shine.
    Looks like the Aichan push really benefits the rest of 17ki as planned then!

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    I actually missed this since I thought the dark blue jackets are Team 8 members like the last time.
    Thank you @Aka for pointing it out that they were 17ki instead.

    17ki on Nemousu next week! (Nov 10, 7.30 JST)
    Hotechan and Mizumin representing 17ki in the 2nd ever Mg-1 Grand Prix Competition!

    So the girls will do various team competitions involving their Team Manager staffs as the main roles.
    I watched the first one back then and it was fun, looking forward for the 2nd one too next week. :)

    if the video does not show watch the video here
    17ki manager representative is not Matsu-san ? Looks young, might be Ueki-san from the Sayarin-Erichan-Remitan youtube collab video back then. link

    also I need to get time to watch 17ken episode 12 and 13
    I missed watching it yesterday lol
     
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  4. Aka

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    But I didn't...
     
  5. donjonnie

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    Upcoming Known Schedules update
    Nov 6 - 2x Theater show, Yukitan Theater DEBUT (link)
    Nov 7 to Dec 4 - Shibuya Station ads for 17ki Members (showroom reward)
    Nov 10, 7.30 JST - Nemousu Manager Grand Prix part 1 (Hotechan and Mizumin)
    Nov 11 - Night theater show
    Nov 12 - 2x theater show, 18:00 show is 17ken subscribers exclusive
    Nov 17 - 17ken show episode 14 - Participants : ALL, except Nonchan and Masaru. (link)
    Nov 17, 7.30 JST - Nemousu Manager Grand Prix part 2 (Hotechan and Mizumin)

    Unknown - 17ki 2nd Fan Meeting
    Unknown (supposedly around October, but they forgot??) - SHOWROOM original Special Program for 17ki members (showroom reward)
    Unknown - 17ki Training Camp Livestream
    Unknown - Kokko theater debut

    feel free to add/correct me if there's anything wrong or missing (pretty sure I forgot/missed some individual jobs)

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    this sentence pretty much tells me that Team 8 is not included in the show. ;)

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    AKB48 Tiktok is starting a new upload series with 17ki girls doing the "Can you guess what did I say?" Hisalippu style.
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    Yukitan and Kokko so far.
    Yukitan : https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok/video/7161760995155643649
    Kokko : https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok/video/7162101064571817218

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    Senpais interactions:
    Yukitan was with Yuiri and Naachan, getting her Yuiri PB personally signed [hehe]
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    Source seems to be from Okada Nana's instagram
    https://twitter.com/MF_No8_TATSU/status/1588135663542550528
    (video) https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1588135585910165504/pu/vid/720x1264/rEZ-yTDgmuDr4zjA.mp4?tag=12

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    Also by Nov 4 today, 17ki girls have been in the group for half a year!! :ome:
    since their reveal in May 4, 2022
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    :flower:
     
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  6. donjonnie

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    Photos to commemorate Yukitan's theater debut:
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    Sources:
    https://twitter.com/akb_trainee48/status/1589231170163978240
    https://twitter.com/akb48_17ken/status/1589402143223840769
    https://twitter.com/akb48_17ken/status/1589463576745766913

    I haven't had the time to watch the show, sadly. :^^;:
    For those who have watched, how was Yukitan's performance?

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    17ki will participate in Funpal Fest Vol. 2 on November 26
    https://ameblo.jp/akihabara48/entry-12772980664.html
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    Upcoming Known Schedules update

    Nov 6 - 2x Theater show, Yukitan Theater DEBUT (link)
    Nov 7 to Dec 4 - Shibuya Station ads for 17ki Members (showroom reward)
    Nov 10, 7.30 JST - Nemousu Manager Grand Prix part 1 (Hotechan and Mizumin)
    Nov 11 - Night theater show
    Nov 12 - 2x theater show, 18:00 show is 17ken subscribers exclusive <-Addition to this, 13:00 show will be Mizumin's birthday show/Seitansai
    Nov 17 - 17ken show episode 14 - Participants : ALL, except Nonchan and Masaru. (link)
    Nov 17, 7.30 JST - Nemousu Manager Grand Prix part 2 (Hotechan and Mizumin)
    Nov 18 - 18:30 Theater Show
    Nov 26 - Funpal Fest Vol. 2

    Unknown - 17ki 2nd Fan Meeting
    Unknown (supposedly around October, but they forgot??) - SHOWROOM original Special Program for 17ki members (showroom reward)
    Unknown - 17ki Training Camp Livestream
    Unknown - Kokko theater debut

    feel free to add/correct me if there's anything wrong or missing (pretty sure I forgot/missed some individual jobs)

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    17ki girls doing the "Can you guess what I said?" Hisalippu style (continued)
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    https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok
    Yukinee : https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok/video/7163597297987702017
    Nonchan : https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok/video/7163227075472657666
    Erichan : https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok/video/7162860062082419970
    Aichan : https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok/video/7162473760891686145

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    Okada Alliance celebrating Naachan's 25th birthday:
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    https://twitter.com/nonchan_akb48/status/1589576950208925696

    According to Naachan's recent youtube livestream, Yukitan's the 3rd to sent her happy birthday message, after Zunchan and Yumirin.
    Possible future member? [hehe]
    Sorara and Nonchan didn't even have Naachan's contact yet. Only Aichan and Yukitan has her contact.
    BTW Aichan wanted to be included in Okada Alliance, but the other two are gonna feel envious, so Naachan secretly added her, just in her mind.
    One of Naachan's goal this year is to get all 17ki girls' contact numbers.

    source : Naachan's livestream, starting at 12:00 timestamp (link)


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    FINALLY! The Showroom Reward, Shibuya Ads for 17ki !
    Also those are video ads! :1st:


    Will be up from Nov 7 to Dec 4, so if you are around you can check it out!
    I screenshotted the end part, but they were doing cute stuffs before posing for the end, so check the videos linked below!
    BTW the pairs are the same as the TikTok ones recently :

    EbiMayo pair
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    NonKokko Pair
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    SatoMizu pair
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    YukiYuki pair
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    PotatoSalad pair
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    Watch the Videos here!
    https://twitter.com/mugi185/status/1589449784787881984
    https://twitter.com/mugi185/status/1589449834825920513
     
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  7. lyl

    lyl Kenkyuusei Studio48 Contributor

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    I agree. I don't think that for 61st single they will include any 17ki members on senbatsu other than Aichan...but I don't think it will happen another 'Zukky effect', with just one girl of a gen getting goripushed. They might include another 17ki member on the 63rd, maybe? But I hope they indeed 'reward' (? couldn't find other word) Erichan for selling well, with a bigger push or something. After all, selling 7 slots even though there are more pushed members in your generation and that number being higher than most of the other girls' in the group, is awesome. I hope her sales keep increasing.

    Even though one of the og performers is my eternal oshimen (Mayu), sometimes I have nightmares with that song. But it can show the freshness and cuteness of the new girls :^^;:

    Oh God she's pretty. So so pretty. Since the unveiling of the girls Erichan's been my favorite, but it's been a while since Yukitan's been fighting for that spot in my heart.
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    Now talking a bit about the future, do you guys think that there's any chance of 17th gen girls being promoted to the regular teams anytime soon?
    I ask this because (at least here in my time-zone) we have exactly just one month left until AKB 17th anniversary and on anniversaries we almos always have announcements and surprises, and I often see on Twitter some fellow wotas pretty confident that 17ki girls will get promoted on the anniversary performance, but honestly I don't think that'll happen so soon; even though they are being super pushed and are quite well polished on their skills, they still have little experience and have performed only a bit at the theater. Kokone didn't even debut on KKS Tadaima Renaichuu yet. Also we know that in the last years the average time of the girls getting promoted's been rising up. There's also the fact that the 18th term is already coming and maybe they will work together with 17th and even develop a healthy competitivity with them, so I think 17ki will spend a longer time as kenkyuusei.
    What do you guys think?
     
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  8. gvstavvss

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    Trainees getting their senpai contact, wow...
     
  9. donjonnie

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    Chances? Yes.
    Most recent example was draft 3rd members who joined on Jan 2018, and on the AKB 13th anniversary that year 3 members got promoted : Moeka, Mahopyon and Kyon.
    I think Moeka was selling well and also got pushed on centering Saikyou Twintail that year. Kyon won the Janken that year so she got some spotlight. Mahopyon.... not sure, maybe you can tell me more? :^^;:
    But yeah again personally I still don't want them to be promoted and separated yet. Looking forward for their healthy competition with 18ki.

    Well Aichan is in senbatsu and they went to Okinawa together so it's a given.
    Meanwhile Yukitan is said by others to have good interpersonal skills so she might've made some right approach to get that. For example she mentioned to Naachan that she also likes Re:Zero anime and like the character Rem. Which is exactly what Naachan likes too, so they exchanged LINE contact after that. While Sorara and Nonchan keep "missing the timing" to to exchange contact with Naachan. (all info from her youtube livestream)

    Naachan is pretty open and wants to embrace her cute Kouhais though, so she'll get them all for sure. :hehe:

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    17ki on HADOkai (Nov 8)
    Sorara, Nonchan and Kokko were part of Nov 8 HADOkai (Season 2 Day 4)

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    This time they're doing exhibition match with an all-girls team selected by Arc-A's (Japan top team).
    These girls are no amateurs, they are picked from various teams in the Japan Top 15 HADO teams.
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    Result?
    They got destroyed as usual, 3- 14. :^^;:
    They keep losing, need more practice with the fans. (= more sales of the practice tickets with 17ki)
    After match video : https://twitter.com/akb_trainee48/status/1589965112529793024

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    watch here

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    Aichan and Erichan did zenza on Boku no Taiyou
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    https://twitter.com/177__shimo719/status/1589952949991911430
    According to Hinana, 17ki girls are still nervous during MC.
    I've seen similar remarks from fans regarding the Tadaima Renaichuu show, 17ki performance is great but MC still need more work.
     
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  10. x_lambs

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    A polished, well-rehearsed, debut in line with all the other students. Very stable vocals as expected. Yukitan filled hirata yuki position in unit songs (delivering on Haru and Faint) Everone is performing well imo with a marked improvement in hotechan that i guess was just nerves during the first 2 shows.

    Regarding earlier performances, i unfairly judged hirata by her looks. i thought she was just another pretty face looking for modeling and acting jobs (AKB48 is a stepping stone after all), but, after her performances in budokan (esp. rolling on the group during Rhodes), I'm convinced she is all-in on representing AKB48.
     
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  11. donjonnie

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    Ooh I see, looks like Yukitan didn't have any problems then, only the timing of the debut was the issue.
    Nice to see that they are performing well, thanks for sharing! If you don't mind adding more info, how were the MCs ? Getting better too?
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    Hokkaido Duo on Zenza (Mizumin and Kokko)
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    (video)https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1590277142025187329/pu/vid/1192x632/b8xDRccbtBBsg3qE.mp4


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    17ki on NemousuTV (Nov 10, 7.30 JST)
    Hotechan and Mizumin representing 17ki in the 2nd Mg-1 Grand Prix Competition! (Mg = Manager)

    Watch here : link


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    Members have to collaborate with their Team managers to complete various quiz and tasks
    Participating managers:
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    Some of the tasks and quizzes are:
    How many members in the team have "Yama/Mountain" kanji in their names.
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    How to write these difficult members' names in Kanji
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    And matching your answer with the manager for a random question about the team.
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    BTW I didn't get to screenshot it, but the question for 17ki and the manager was "Which member needs the most help and attention in the team?"
    Should be obvious?
    You got it right, the answer was a unified response : "Kokko" :D
    Hearing this, Naruchan decided to rethink her mentioned plan to draft Kokko into Team 4.:^^;:

    Also Ogi-san was kinda meek towards Hotechan, when he's usually brash towards members. A scripted act or a new Hotechan-oshi?:awesome: Haven't seen this since Kojiharu.
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    BTW, the participating manager of 17ki, Ueki-manager, is still young, 20 years old ??:blink: And she just joined the company in 2022 too.
    She looks pretty even with the mask on :blush: , potential 18ki member? Or 18.5ki like Mariko-sama. [hehe]
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    More than half of the participating members are actually older than her and the same age Team B Manager[hehe]
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    Rumored to be one of Team 8 managers before :
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    Preview for Next week episode (part 2):

    if the video does not show watch the video here

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    Erichan made it to Top 8 in the additional Cooking Senbatsu member : :2nd:
    Her food:
    https://twitter.com/erichan_akb48/status/1590310254012944385
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    She said she wanted to get drafted into the Takoyaki club.
    Hopefully being added to Cooking Senbatsu means more spotlight for our rising star.:1st:
    Quite impressive as the only Kenkyuusei among the whole thing. At least she'll get more experience by interacting with the other senpai members.

    The other 17ki members tried their best too! Maybe next time they'll have their chances.

     
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  12. okiks

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    Erichan on a roll lately:banana:
     
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  13. donjonnie

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    Mizumin 19th Birthday is today, Nov 12 !
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    She also had her birthday show on theater today as well. Right on the date, no delay! Lucky!
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    Sadly since she's a Kenkyuusei, no cake was served on stage.

    Clip of Mizumin crying after Kikyou performance, got emotional :
    https://twitter.com/y_y_yuchann/status/1591321630101614592
    video : https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1591320612999376896/pu/vid/698x360/ZGSibAw9Z1lY3qYQ.mp4

    Read more here:
    http://stage48.net/forum/index.php?threads/mizushima-miyuu-mizumin.23957/page-2#post-1776696

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    17th gen will now be a permanent part of the unit MC of Boku no Taiyou.
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    Inspired by Naachan and invited by Hinana.
    This is great news, the 17ki girls can have more chance to improve their MC skills there.
    https://twitter.com/nagekinohina/status/1589958642396119041
    Credits to @hinapyon on twitter.

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    New Photo sets for 17ki on AKB online shop!
    T-shirt and Short Jeans! Very cute! Also seems like they are getting better at posing now.
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    https://ameblo.jp/akihabara48/entry-12773971220.html
    Check the samples here (5 photos per member) : https://shop.akb48.co.jp/selection/list/3593
     
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  16. bonjourmarlene

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    I would like to think they've learned their lesson with both Zukkii and Moeka. Zukkii was their goripush from 16th Gen and Moeka was their goripush in 3rd Draft - look at 3rd Draft now. They debuted in 2018, and how many people actually know the members? I mean, don't get my wrong, my oshi is a 3rd Draft member, but besides Mahopyon, the other Draftees are unknown to people who didn't make the effort to learn the members. I also only really know Okarina and Yuzupi because I have 2 mutuals on twitter who are fans of these two members each; and I think Nagano Megumi is pretty, so she stands out but I actually don't know anything else about her.

    16th Gen is a little better off, I think people would be able to name about 5 members (I'm thinking Zukkii, Manaka, Naamin, Orin and Satomina), but tbh Orin only because she's Tomu's sister and Satomina because of Produce 48. I think/hope Zunchan is getting more popular, but like... we're getting close to six years since they joined the group.

    They need to establish a team of popular members, rather than individual members, to ensure a good future for the group. 1st to 11th Gen are almost completely gone (thanks Yukirin for staying strong), 12th Gen will have 2 members left after Tomu's grad, both of which aren't really very popular (Miyuupon and Yukarun). Even 15th Gen is getting close to 10 years (May 2023 will be their 10th anniversary), so they really ought to focus on getting a group of members out there to the public rather than just one member.

    Simply based on the fact that management has been incredibly slow with promoting members from 3rd Draft and 16th Gen, I'm inclined to say no - however, that's less because of skill or number of fans, but because it's cheaper. To my knowledge, promoted members have a fixed monthly salary and KKS are paid only for the work that they actually do, so if you only need to pay for actual performances, they'll save money.
     
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  17. donjonnie

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    Mizumin got Covid :(
    https://ameblo.jp/akihabara48/entry-12774647849.html
    For safety reason, all the other 9 kenkyuuseis are going to self-isolate for a while.

    Hence all these are changed :
    • Nov 15 - AKB48 Tenkaichi HADOkai Season 2 Day 5 Exhibition Match (will be replaced with other members)
    • Nov 15 - 17ki Strengthening Project #4 (vs fans) (cancelled)
    • Nov 17 - 17ken show (Mizumin, Hotechan and Erichan will be absent.)
    • Nov 18 - Tadaima Renaichuu show (cancelled)
    Wish a speedy recovery for Mizumin and no spread to other 17ki.
    They must've been doing some rehearsals together for all of them to be asked to self isolate.
    Mizumin has a pretty serious personality, hopefully she's not taking this personally. :(

    Guess we gotta wait a while to see 17ki again. Pic from theater show on Nov 12:
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    Erichan will be part of Korokke Club (Croquette Club) of the Cooking Senbatsu :
    https://ameblo.jp/akihabara48/entry-12774484397.html
    hmm not Takoyaki club?:confused:

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    17ki girls doing the "Can you guess what I said?" Hisalippu style (last batch)
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    https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok
    Sorara : https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok/video/7165081070520519937
    Mizumin : https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok/video/7164701887894146305
    Masaru : https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok/video/7164356377777835266
    Hotechan : https://www.tiktok.com/@akb48_official_tiktok/video/7163962403573599489
     
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  18. Izzy Trinh

    Izzy Trinh Future Girls Studio48 Contributor

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    Team B Ishiwata Sena got Covid yesterday, maybe Mizumin got infected while rehearsing for Idol no Yoake stage. Get well soon little girl
     
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  19. bonjourmarlene

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    Who were they replaced by? As far as I understood, they got replaced by members that aren't part of 17ki
     
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    Seichan, Hidaaya and Ayamin.
     

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