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[GENERAL] The AKB48 Thread

Discussion in 'General AKB48 Discussion' started by Kyobu, Jun 16, 2007.

  1. sakurappu

    sakurappu Next Girls

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    Interesting new oricon system... AKB will be fine with the system. But if they release new single on same day with Yonezu Kenshi... :fear:
    Otherwise, JE will not be fine since its management really hates digital-release stuff lol
     
  2. Rurouni

    Rurouni Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    Oh yes, for voting single they probably can do it, but the question is probably going to be whether it is going to be profitable for them. Of course with Oricon counting digital download it can be an incentive for them to do it, but if you look at how they count the sales, 1 song sales has 0.4 modifier, thus I'm not sure the end result would actually be better for them. For the hardcore fans, they will probably buy the digital version on top of their normal physical purchase (since normally a single release has 6 songs, thus only around 1.5k yen for 6 votes, a bargain), but for the casual that only want to give very few votes (and there are a lot of this type of people), they might just buy the digital version only, thus potentially reducing the sales number and the actual money AKB make from SSK.
    I do think they should go for it and see what happens. It is really hard to predict this kind of thing until they try it.

    But anyway, this new way of counting it is mostly to make their ranking relevant again since a lot of people in Japan are moving to digital only and don't purchase CD anymore, making Oricon ranking irrelevant to measure popularity (and they make their ranking not to compare sales but popularity which people often times forget and think they should show pure sales number). Right now when I want to know which song is popular in Japan, I either check the Billboard top 100 or iTunes ranking (especially iTunes ranking) because the result is much more relevant than Oricon. I do know that people also want to know the pure sales number since it is always nice to know how many CDs they actually sold to people and we already have like that Billboard and iTunes ranking to see the popular song. But in the end Oricon is a business and they need their ranking to be relevant so I understand why they want to incorporate digital download/streaming to form their ranking.

    Probably the only thing that is still a question mark for me is whether they will change how they count physical sales again or becomes more thougher/lenient with it.

    Also hopefully they will not only show the combined ranking but also the individual CD, download, streaming number. Because I like more data :)
     
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  3. AnToNa

    AnToNa Kenkyuusei

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    ....Edgy46 is gonna obliterate this chart more. Their digital and streaming number is huge. We might see them reaching 1M first week sooner.

    I guess, Yasusu is gonna make another GP-pandering sing again for 48G after this rule is applied :awesome:
     
  4. Rurouni

    Rurouni Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    I think everyone needs to read the formula more closely. 2.5 downloaded songs = 1 points. So 1 song downloaded from a single worth 0.4 points.

    I know that Keya is the best 48/46G in digital charts, but the problem is that you can only download the same song 1 time, thus the actual digital sales number is very small compared to disc sales. Popular song normally needs several months to even reach gold (100k sales). If I'm being generous and Keya next single sold 100k individual song (A side + coupling) digitally in their first week, it would add 40k points to their first week number. If we apply that to Ambivalent, their first week number would be 851,684 (811,684 + 40k). Of course there is also the playback number, but the modifier is 1/300 so the overall effect will be very minimal (10million playback/stream = 33k points). Keya will get the biggest boost in Oricon points, but I don't think it will be more than 50k point boost for the 1st week number.
     
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  5. Trinu

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    I really doubt they'll include codes with the downloads.
    Just compare the prices and calculate how much money AKS/King Records will receive. The phjysical is always going to bring them more revenue.

    The new rules are basically to help those artists/groups who aren't idols and have a bigger streaming oriented fanbase.
    But hopefully this will push the rest of the 48G to put their stuff on Spotify (it's ridiculous that only NMB is there and NGT just has one mere single).
     
  6. innosu

    innosu Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    But AKB is already on Spotify??? I know it's in Japan and Thailand region, not sure where you are.

    And Spotify doesn't count as streaming point in Oricon chart. They only count selected service, and I don't think they are going to count oversea number anyway, much like physical sale right now.
     
  7. SunnyHighland

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    Oh hey, a cultured discussion on Stage [hehe] without any wall-of-text essay :approve:

    Agree with most point though. The modifier is too small to be impactful for idols whose main income is from physical sales. But curious to see will they try it or not.

    I don't use Spotify, so I don't know. But I can use Japan LINE Music if I want to. Anyone know if they put AKB songs there?
     
  8. Red13th

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    Even in Thai spotify, still not full discography.
     
  9. innosu

    innosu Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    I think it is available for purchase only, not streaming.
     
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  11. Halyup

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    Annual Revenue for 2018
    AKB Earning 7.79 billion yen at 3rd place
    ■アーティスト別トータルセールスTOP10
    1位 190.0億円 安室奈美恵 (48作/3作)
    2位 103.3億円 乃木坂46 (34作/14作)
    3位 77.9億円 AKB48 (18作/15作)
    4位 67.1億円 嵐 (14作/5作)
    5位 58.3億円 三代目 J Soul Brothers from EXILE TRIBE (7作/3作)
    6位 52.7億円 BTS (防弾少年団) (26作/10作)
    7位 46.4億円 Kis-My-Ft2 (11作/7作)
    8位 43.9億円 関ジャニ∞ (27作/4作)
    9位 43.3億円 Hey! Say! JUMP (16作/5作)
    10位 41.0億円 欅坂46 (10作/4作)
    Source: oricon.co.jp
     
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  12. SunnyHighland

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    Only AKB I think. Looking at the SG's sales, I don't think any can outperform K46 at #10.

    Lol, wotas wallet is still strong enough. [hehe]
     
  13. kanjo

    kanjo Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    Pretty sure it's only for things released with "AKB48" as the artist.

    Re: new oricon rules. It will surely only shorten the gap between big idols and everyone else. Maybe the yearly charts will be affected but not weekly. Even if they release the same week as Yonezu Kenshi, digital sales are much slower than physical, then add HS preorders.
     
  14. Halyup

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    TWICE is coming for that number 10 spot
     
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  15. kanjo

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    Other Oricon deets

    46-48 and related

    Singles
    1. AKB48 - Teacher Teacher | 1,819,237 | 2018/5/30
    2. AKB48 - Sentimental Train | 1,471,958 | 2018/9/19
    3. Nogizaka46 - Synchronicity | 1,306,247 | 2018/4/25
    4. Nogizaka46 - Jikochu de Ikou | 1,281,625 | 2018/8/8
    5. AKB48 - NO WAY MAN | 1,213,501 | 2018/11/28
    6. AKB48 - Jabaja | 1,172,399 | 2018/3/14
    7. Nogizaka46 - Kaerimichi wa Tomawari shitakunaru | 1,160,784 | 2018/11/14
    8. Keyakizaka46 - Glass wo Ware! | 1,021,450 | 2018/3/7
    9. Keyakizaka46 - Ambivalent | 970,268 | 2018/8/15
    16. SKE48 - Ikinari Punchline | 390,770 | 2018/7/4
    17. SKE48 - Muishiki no Iro | 386,683 | 2018/1/10
    21. NMB48 - Warota People | 338,133 | 2017/12/27
    23. NMB48 - Boku datte Naicchau yo | 290,563 | 2017/8/2
    25. HKT48 - Hayaokuri Calendar | 272,811 | 2017/11/15
    26. NMB48 - Yokubomono | 271,856 | 2018/4/4
    36. STU48 - Kurayami | 186,122 | 2018/1/31
    39. NGT48 - Sekai no Hito e | 173,264 | 2018/10/3
    40. NGT48 - Haru wa Doko kara Kuru no ka? | 165,917 | 2018/4/11
    49. Nogizaka46 - Itsuka Dekiru kara Kyou Dekiru | 144,263 | 2017/10/11
    62. Keyakizaka46 - Kaze ni Fukaretemo | … | 2017/10/25
    92. Last Idol - Bandwagon | … | 2017/12/20

    Albums
    2. AKB48 - Bokutachi wa Ano Hi no Yoake wo Shitteiru | 611,056 | 2018/1/24
    20. Keyakizaka46 (H) - Hashiridasu Shunkan | 185,472 | 2018/6/20
    22. HKT48 - 092 | 167,037 | 2017/12/27
    29. Nogizaka47 (U) - Boku dake no Kimi~Under Super Best~ | 135,120 | 2018/1/10
    98. Keyakizaka46 (K) - Masshiro na Mono wo Yogoshitakunaru | … | 2017/7/19

    DVDs/Blu-Rays
    Lots of lists so I'll be using a unique format:
    Artist - Title | Release date | Blu-ray sales (music BD rank, overall BD rank) | DVD sales (music DVD rank, overall DVD rank)

    Keyakizaka46 - 欅共和国2017 | 2018/9/26 | 62,634 (10,18 ) | 52,439 (17,19)
    Nogizaka46 - Manatsu no Zenkoku Tour 2017 Final! In Tokyo Dome | 62,080 (11,19) | 36,432 (31,40)
    Nogizaka46 - 5th Year Birthday Live 2017.2.20-22 Saitama Super Arena Full Ed. | 2018/3/28 | 59,356 (13,26) | 27,527 (38,...)
    Nogizaka46 - 5th Year Birthday Live 2017.2.20-22 Saitama Super Arena Day 1 | 2018/3/28 | 17,107 (45,...)
     
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  16. chuanki47

    chuanki47 Kenkyuusei

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    SG can't compete with *cough 46 artist. What u expect from underground idol anyway!?
     
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  17. Jurinavenclaw

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    46 artists???? Hahaha..

    Though I can imagine some edgy46 fans do think that way.
     
  18. Imperialdramon

    Imperialdramon Kenkyuusei

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    it's interesting to see arashi drop to 4th at their 20th anniversary :hmm:
     
  19. Cristina Salazar

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    time really change everything.
     
  20. Trinu

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    I wonder if the difference betwen Nogi and AKB is because of big concerts?

    AKB only had the Jabaja concerts back in April and it was just one day (noon and evening), plus the SSK one in June.
    The rest has been in TDC (RH, Kouhaku and the rest) and the (non)ranking concerts.

    In the meantime, Nogi has done a summer tour in domes and stadiums and with a couple of days in each venue, so the difference in attendance to concerts must be huge.
     
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