[GENERAL] The Sakurazaka46 / Keyakizaka46 Thread

Discussion in 'General Sakurazaka46 Discussion' started by ForrestFuller, Jun 28, 2015.

  1. miwa

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    I'm not surprised either. I've mentioned this last year but it's still relevant: they can't seem to attract new fans for some reason. Their numbers are quite stagnant (despite Samidareyo having a surge in sales, As you know's sales weren't impressive and besides I dread the 5th single's sales bc of Risa and Yuuka's departures). It seems to me that their fanbase is primarily made up of old Keyaki fans who didn't abandon the group after the rebranding.
    I have no clue what management could do. They can't send them on shows if there's no demand. But having a year with just one single and one album was a very bad idea. If Nogizaka can release three singles and one album in one year so can Sakurazaka. Keyaki released two singles and one album in their second year. Makes no sense for Sakurazaka to only have one single out. They need to release 5th asap.
     
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  2. juniorbeho

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    I thought they had done away with the male/female group separation for red and white a couple years ago?
     
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  3. Torigoya-San

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    How come there's no news of a 5th single yet ? Should have been out by Oct. o_O
     
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  4. turbogig

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    Judging from my own experience with the Japanese (mostly girls, early 20's), the general public still struggles to remember what Sakurazaka is. When I said that I liked Sakurazaka, most of them said something along the lines of 'Oh that Nogizaka-like group, I see'. One girl at least recognised Ten-chan (I guess modelling and magazine gigs are paying off). It's pretty embarassing to say, but when asked 'Do they have any famous songs?', I had to reply 'Silent Majority, they used to be called Keyakizaka before, you know'. And of course, everybody knew and many reacted positively. Which brings a question, can we really say that the promotion is sufficient when the recognition levels is clearly not there?

    But of course, most people don't really know anything about Hinatazaka either, so let's not get too gloomy :D Everybody knows Nogi, I'll give you that.
     
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  5. ric_cr

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    We shouldn't worry, let's remember, Kohaku invitations are made for the social and commercial impact that artists have throughout the year, the girls only released 1 single and the album with some new songs this year, unlike nogi and hinata, they released 2 singles and nogi announced a 3rd one for early december, at least sakura won the group of the year award at the MTV VMAJ. They should have released a single in September/October, but I imagine they didn't because it was going to collide with yuuka's grad and that was going to force she to stay until the end of the promotion of that single and would not have been able to graduate at the dome concert. I think that in December or at the end of this month they would announce a single and according to the website, this month the 3rd gen should be almost ready to debut. Those are the reason why our girls were dropped from kohaku.
     
  6. Nogipunch

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    I couldn't really get into Keyaki/Sakurazaka's 1st gen, but totally love 2nd gen. I have only started to recently follow them and got bummed when they didn't get to Kohaku.
     
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  7. David61

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    Yuipon, Habuchan and Tenchan at the first part of the AEON CARD SPECIAL STAGE - TGC KITAKYUSHU 2022 by TOKYO GIRLS COLLECTION (with model Ikeda Miyu in the second part):

     
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  8. miwa

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    I know this isn't the point, and I definitely don't want to bring up old stuff, but I'm convinced that if they hadn't changed their name they'd still be invited, despite the fact that their popularity has gone down.
     
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  9. turbogig

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    Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I low-key believe that the way Kouhaku works is that producers from S&F and NHK execs strike somewhat of a mutual deal, where S&F has to pay a certain amount to make Kouhaku invite 'happen'. The said budget was already spent on Tokyo Dome and that MTV thingy, so no Kouhaku this time around. Also, this whole incident makes for a convincing documentary story. 'They've risen to the top only to face the harsh fall afterwards, now together with the 3ki they have to rebuild Sakurazaka'.

    By the way, expecting the documentary to be released in January or February.
     
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  10. Dill

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    @turbogig no spoiler please [hehe]

    I gave up my twitter account after Musk coming, so I'm quite losing Sakuinfo I'd usually see there.

    I expected 3rd gen to be out by now, it felt my TL was full of Nogi's new gen a lot before they were even on shows and I would have loved to see the same for Sakura's.
    Or maybe they could have used Tokyo Dome spotlight to make a fast presentation about the future gen at least, while the first captain of both Keyaki and Sakura said her goodbye. It could have been.. fitting? Interesting?
    Just a thought.
     
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  11. minaeshi

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    I definitely feel like Sakurazaka needs a little sob story in the form of a documentary to get their ball rolling again. There's nothing quite like supporting an idol who's on the ground until they can get up and start running again. We could do with a popularity boost both in fans and by media with a doc that showcases the groups struggles with the rebranding and losing 1ki bit by bit. Can end it with 1ki's comments on their hopes for the future of the group, matsuri's/2ki's leadership and new goal setting, and introducing the 3ki's who all adore sakurazaka46 and want to see the group be as big as keyaki was again. :cute:
     
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    They definitely need something to put them in the public eye. I wish I knew what it was. They are attractive and tremendously talented, especially in dance. A good and unusual song could do a SaiMajo for them. Maybe new choreo could create a mood that strikes the public fancy. Maybe some exciting new member(s). And I will beat the drum once again for new hosts on SokoSaku. But not being on Kouhaku seems a big dark cloud. I also wonder if changing the name, sensible as it seemed, might have been a mistake.

    However, they do now have 9.8 million views of BAN. And after dropping numbers from Nobody's Fault to BAN, and just holding steady for Nagaredama, sales have climbed a bit with Samidare yo. Nevertheless, Hinatazaka is outselling them by 40,000 units: after only 13 weeks, Boku Nanka has sold ~482,000, while after 21 weeks, Samidare yo has sold 437,000. Maybe Japanese fans' taste has shifted, and no longer wants the tougher Keyaki spirit, but more the new Hinata style of primary colours and idolish songs and expressions. And in any case, I can't say that the Sakurazaka style is very clear.

    For me personally, liking Karin as much as I do, I think that if her acting talent and presence can propel her into more dramas, it could help the group as a whole. For me, she's the one who has something unusual and special (if not weird, lol), as Hirate did in Keyakizaka. If only S&F knew how to make use of her, or wanted to.
     
  13. Torigoya-San

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    Maybe they need a new drama, perhaps a short horror series :cool:, or at least another mystery drama. It can help hone their acting skills too. It's been quite a while since they did Borderless. Runrun will look really stylish in one :D.
     
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    I don't really like comparing the two keyaki groups, but i do think it's important to note that hinatazaka still has a full senbatsu with every member each single, and they have only lost 2 1st generation members and 1 2nd generation member during that time. during this time they've also added 3rd and 4th gen and they're set to keep increasing their sales with each release. they have steadily increasing popularity with each single, and their management are constantly promoting them and giving them more cm opportunities and media appearance, and have yet to face any hard challenges since the groups debut as hinata.

    Then you compare that to sakurazaka who have lost countless members in such a short time before the rebrand, and then even more after the rebrand under the span of two years. during this time they haven't added any new generations since 2.5ki before the rebrand, tightened the number of senbatsu members for each single, and during this time management barely push even the sakura 8 girls enough. when a single is released we may see matsuri appear in a few more shows than usual, and the center of each single getting onto some shows. maybe rena or rei on love it, and a couple rotations of backs members on radio shows, but that's it as far as promotions go for the group. it's only recently they've been promoting themselves more on tiktok.

    So for me, to see that despite having all these set backs, sakurazaka are only outsold by 40k compared to their sister group, and they can still sell a crap ton of tickets for 2 days in tokyo dome, it makes me incredibly proud of the group. The real challenge will be to see how well the group does in their new chapter with 2ki widely becoming the seniors and leaders of the group, with only 5 1ki left. Seeing how they fully flesh out the image of sakurazaka while they integrate the new 3ki's will be great to see, and watching how hinata's will deal with the inevitable senbatsu reduction with the arrival of 4ki will make or break them (knowing ohisama it will make them as they have such a strong drive to push their oshimen)

    Sakurazaka's style was made clear as day to me from the 1st anniversary concert, they are still the cool group that keyaki was but they are happy to show us their elegant and cute sides too. They're the fashionable cool group of the three sakamichi, imo, and that's a good niche that has been rather void in the jpop female idol scene ever since e-girls and co largely disbanded. The TGC and Aeon Card deals help with that, and I hope that they continue to give members exclusive contracts and allow them to go on media appearances with the image of 'cool beauty', because it fits them so well.
     
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    Happy 2nd Anniversary Sakurazaka46! :ome:

    They performed buddies with all the members during their birthday live :')
     
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  18. Torigoya-San

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    When do you think they will reveal the 3rd gen ? And how do you think they will look like ? Will anyone resemble Runrun ? Will anyone be smart and cool like her too ? :cool::)
     
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    I’d assume they will start revealing them in early January(maybe even the very end of December), where we get a very brief video of a different member each day like we did for Nogi’s 5th and Hinata’s 4th. Then after that, we’ll slowly get more information about them with their handwritten profiles and then eventually their variety intro and individual short documentaries.

    I’m less confident about this part, but my guess is they will all be around 6’5” (195 cm) tall and never smile. Two of them will have severe gambling addictions that they don’t even try to keep secret and one will already be a grandparent at the time of her debut. One member will withdraw from the group immediately after her introduction when it’s discovered she is actually a horse. Another member will go her entire idol career without anyone discovering that she, too, is actually a horse. Just a guess.

    But for real, we will see very soon!
     
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  20. Torigoya-San

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    They should really bring back the style of keyakitte. It was a much more colorful and funny show as compared to sokosaku.

    Anyway, speaking of 3rd gen, would really prefer them to be from the big cities (especially the greater tokyo area) like many of the 1st gen, as compared to the more rural prefectures 2nd gen. This is so that they can have the same sort of cool style of the 1st gen. Let's hope they can bring back the keyaki image of the 1 gen.
     
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