Discussion in 'General NGT48 Discussion' started by Cisalpine88, Jan 9, 2019.
Then you weren't paying attention.
Enlighten us then. Name one new bit of extra security that *all* lanes had, as you insist. I was there all day on Sunday and visited 20 different lanes. There was nothing that hasn't been there at every other HS event I've been to.
Since you all are arguing...
[LIVE] Exclusive: "NGT48 Yamaguchi Maho's Assault Problem" Briefing Session feat. NGT Managements (UX Niigata TV 21)
Broadcast time: 2019/03/22 at 1.30 PM JST
More staff, closer observation by the staff present. Tighter restrictions on gimmicks.
there's literally been absolutely no cyber bullying of any of the girls on this threard. i thInk you don't care a girl was assaulted and ha responded to poorly at every turn. my bet is you anf everyone else saying "time to move on" sees the girls as less than human and more objects to fulfil some fetish or fantasy
That's quite a reach, friend. There absolutely were not more staff IN the lanes. As I said, every single lane I went to had just the timer, the drag-away guy, and the two at the table checking tickets (and a supervisor for every couple lanes to resolve problems). Same as every single event I've ever been to. The staff DID pay closer attention to screens of phones when 2S were being taken, but that's hardly an additional security measure.
I can't speak for gimmicks because I don't dress up, but I still saw the normal amount of goofballs being goofballs. I really do think you're stretching, here. The NGT cameras were clearly additional security. Nothing else was noticeably more secure in any way - and half the point of security at these events is to be as obvious as possible because it's not actually security, just supposed to look like it. Hell, they don't even check half the pockets in my bag every time I go in and out.
first of all, people are going to have their opinions on various members involved or not, and whether or not involvement can be proven or not. and second, these girls you speak of would need to be present in this thread and be able to understand what we're saying to even have a chance at feeling "bullied" which is not even close to what has been happening here.
Without any real punishment, the other girls who want to break the rules will consider that it is a green light from the management and the history will repeat itself. There will be more girls who get into the same situation like Maho, more families will suffer the pain just like Maho's parents, and 48Gs will turn into one big pile of shit.
Oh well, as far as I can see, there are a huge amount of 48G's fans who do not even care about this case, as long as the victim isn't their oshi, just like you, so I guess everything is fine just like the way it is, am I right?
The thought that the management and some girls would probably celebrate if Maho decides to graduate kinda makes my stomach churn..
Seems a couple folks here would celebrate, too.
What rules? There weren't any rules for them to break. That was the problem. So what, now that they've made new rules (or reinstated old ones) you want them to apply them retroactively? How about no.
Hopefully that "huge amount of 48G fans" realise how ridiculously blown out of proportion it all has been. Mahohon deserves justice, but none of this witch hunt has anything to do with getting her that justice. Being a victim doesn't give you carte blanche to enforce your will and your beliefs on everyone around you.
can't say i'm surprised. it was pretty obvious how it was gonna end. I already had very little faith Maho would stay, but no way she would stay now right? Her name. Her likely hood is now all attached to this incident. She will never escape it as an idol i feel. i still commend Maho for coming out. It was very brave and something that shouldn't be belittled.
Also, interesting management is aware some members are close with fans and not willing to change that. Like what happened to Maho can definitely happen again to someone else. It's scary to stand up for urself when you're literally facing a huge ass company with expensive lawyers and shareholders and such. I don't feel any members directly or intentionally wanted to harm maho, but they were still attached to the men who attacked her thus making them somewhat part of the crime. again, probably not intentionally, but some fans feel they own their idols and there is a power dynamic at play too.
I hope she can find a way to recover from this incident. it won't be easy thats for sure and if she continues to stay in NGT then I'll support her in that decision
Maho twitter unfollows round 3. Nakai, Seiji and NGT48 Official.
'Daily' article about the "no members were involved" gets over 5000 comments (on yahoo news).
Third party committee report is released. (With an outline of a few interesting parts)
I seem to recall that Maho mentioned on a showroom stream last year that RKJ was in their contract, @cisalpine might be able to confirm if that recollection is correct or not.
I hope she stays even if only to make AKS continue to pay her wages. If they want her to go then let them try to terminate her contract and see how that works out for them in the media.
in the era of "idols you can meet" some members are now taking the fan/idol relationship outside its intended limits. i still think maho has a good reason to think other members had something to do with what happened. even if no one in ngt wished anyone specific harm, if some member or members were "socializing" with "fans" in a residence that wasn't their own, they're at the very least endangering the personal privacy of their colleagues by bringing this "off-limits" relationship to everyone else who lives there. they don't have to be dating them for something to go wrong.
The report likely is primarily meant for internal use, to reconcile between Maho and Tano's fractions and, for the agency to see the situation better, what went wrong so the incident happened. Your opinions, my opinion and J-netz' opinions don't matter.
On what ground?
What happened to Maho did not happen when she was working for AKS. Is employer responsible for safety or well-being of employee outside of work?
Because the employer provides accommodation to employees, does this mean the employer is responsible for special security system at the accommodation?
Neither the report denied if any member leaked the info, did it?
・There was no fact that members of NGT48 were involved in the case itself
I read this as no members purposedly involved in the assault. The report also suggested the close relationship between the member and fan lead to the incident. So, the possibility that the culprits acquired the info just by closely associating to some members stands. There is nothing surprising that the boyfriend knows where his girlfriend lives. The girlfriend may share NGT girls' working schedules with her wota boyfriend so he and his friends can easier following the group. Blah blah blah.
Accused members may be victims too, especially those accused of guilty by association. Do those slamming accused members have any sense of ethics?
So, because the person will never read the comment, it's ok to make hateful speech on her? What kind of moral is this?
How much is her base salary? Minimum wage or slightly higher?
just a friendly reminder to everyone that you can just ignore some people here that craves for whatever attention they can get.
Yup, Showroom from 2018.09.08 to be exact.
Not only that, but on page 22 of the report they bring up the fact there still (present tense being used in the text) exists an article in the contract saying that in the case of an inappropriate relationship between male and female, the contract is to be terminated "if it is deemed to be unbecoming as an AKB48 member inside of AKS", but in addition to there being no fixed definition for what "consorting" with fans means (so management says), "inappropriate male-female relationship" was also reduced to mean extramarital affairs because this was what regular people would equate the expression to...
Shit, even underground groups where regular relationships are allowed do forbid relationship with fans on a private basis, but NGT48 as I said is nothing more than a glorified gotouchi idol group confined in the sticks so they probably thought nothing of it either.
And then shit like this finally breaks out, a disaster waiting to happen, I can only say. Nothing more to be expected from the same management who the other year put Juri on suspension "for various matters", that is for calling Riripon out at Sousenkyo while Akimoto was reportedly begging her to stay, mind you.
not that i should even dignify these kinds of posts with a response, but here goes:
someone accused this thread of being full of people bullying members, or witch-hunting, and that's just not true. i was also saying that even if that were the case, i think the person or persons being bullied would have to be present to really be bothered by it in the first place. NOT that it's OK. seriously...
second: yes, absolutely. it's not like an apartment where you can move out if you don't like your neighbors or their creepy friends. these are people you work with, maybe you think you get along well enough with some of them? maybe you ask them not to bring weird guys over, maybe
you're annoyed and go to management, who fails to take it seriously. and then these people show up at your door and whatever happened to maho happens... it just shouldn't have been possible in the first place.
Wow.. it's been a while since I posted here...
Like many others, I am frustrated with the way AKS handled this whole incident (including the 3rd party investigation unit), as well as this report when I read it.
What really infuriates me is not that none of the members were directly involved (as we have no proof on that), but rather that the criminals are still running freely around and that AKS will do nothing about it.
But then, it wasn't very surprising that this would be the outcome.
Sadly, this means that Maho is completely alone, not only as the victim who doesn't get any justice for the crimes done to her, but also as an idol who will probably leave NGT for good.
The best we can hope for her now is to actually recover from this mentally, and if leaving NGT is going to do that, as sad and frustrating as it might be, so be it.
To the people who think that this issue is overblown. While I agree that groundless witch-hunting doesn't lead to anywhere, remember that it needed to blow up like this for AKS to even do something, which is just sad...