Owada Nana (Naanya) / 15th Generation

Discussion in 'AKB48 Graduated Members' started by HoneyRoastedPeanuts, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. sandy32000

    sandy32000 Kenkyuusei

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    Is this called "rage quitting" a forum?

    Anyway, we all wish Owada Nana the best, as for all the things happening at the back, we will never know
     
  2. Mana

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    @M4YUYU was it necessary to say "good riddance"? :fp: in Naanya's own thread? :rolleyes: I get it some people on this forum hate Naanya and have a real bad image of her (nevermind that almost all of you never bother to follow her to begin with) but I'm pretty sure you would be pissed off if I said "good riddance" on your oshi's thread when she graduates. smh. if it's such a good riddance then why even bother commenting in her thread.

    @Kafkaesque I understand your feelings, it's kinda sad for you to get back in the fandom thanks to Naanya, but then she announced her grad so fast after you joined. I can understand why you quit the fandom, good luck to you~


    As for people saying that Naanya graduated because of other girls being pushed or that she couldn't be center, I think you guys seriously don't know Naanya at all. Since early 2015 already she didn't want to be center anymore, she said she prefers to see Miion as center. If Naanya's issue was her push decreasing, she would have been graduating 2 years ago, because her push started to decrease mid-2015. and it's been 1 year now that her push totally stopped, yet she waited 1 year before deciding her graduation. I'm pretty sure it isn't about losing push or "being jealous of others" or whatever you guys are trying to imply. -_-

    She's turning 18 in 2017 and maybe (just maybe?) she prefer to focus on her studies, have her own life, maybe she doesn't think she suits AKB anymore (she wanted to be center when she joined in 2013 but she lost her motivation after some years), maybe she can't manage herself, maybe she didn't like her situation, maybe she has issues with her same gen members, whatever it is, there are many reasons why she could decide to grad other than her "push".
     
  3. nobodywil

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    I guess to sum up today's "rage quit"...

    "Another one bites the dust..." :banana:
     
  4. chiuchimu

    chiuchimu Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    She also says she thinks she is busu but that turned out to be a lie.

    As fort waiting 2 years, I think it takes time to really see clearly that management has stopped pushing you and they will not resume pushing you again.
     
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  5. yorsavior11

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    please stop the hate...
     
  6. M4YUYU

    M4YUYU Kenkyuusei Stage48 Donor

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    Ha, I apologize, it's just the past couple of years have made me quite bitter. AKS spent so much resources for a select few only for some of them to turn into divas in the group and bred toxicity in the fanbase. I got into AKB48 watching them always in high spirit, doing their best to make the groups the very well known, watching them on TV used to fire me up. The past couple of years, it looks to me many members are coasting and are taking things for granted, and when they decided to do a single-member push again with Naanya, I was really hoping that she was going to be something more inspiring than Paruru's anemic response to her push and her general absence in AKB48 activities.

    But it just wasn't meant to be and she practically self-destructed the past few months, and not only that, her SNS shenanigans may have damaged the 15th gen reputation permanently as a result ("mean girls", "bunch of bullies", caused by half-truths). Maybe they need to move away from "CHECK OUT THIS TOTALLY AWESOME NEXT GEN ACE(s)!!!" and pity-party-cry-fest tropes and actually spend resources to properly cultivate a positive group spirit. Not a single member can do it alone. Paruru got so much push and an unrelenting backing from her agency, but she never broke through ones like Mayuyu or Yukirin, who enjoyed the wave of AKB48 origin story narrative. Is it because Mayuyu or Yukirin fundamentally better than Paruru? I don't think so, but Mayuyu and Yukirin had that collective struggle narrative going for them early on that many people were on board for.

    This unbalance also shows up in the fanbase that is now more individualistic (member first, group second). Those whose oshimen is not blessed (unfair!) and those whose oshimen is an "ace" (maybe she doesn't get a push because your oshimen sucks!) shouting at each other and putting the other down because simply, there's no common ground to support them all in the same context. The more hardcore you are supporting your oshimen, the more you see other members and their fanbases as competition. Hardcore fans sometimes forget that without the 48G umbrella, your oshimen will probably won't enjoy any of the exposure she's been getting. Heck, I've seen people saying that their oshimen is a "blessing" to the group and the group needs her more than the she needs the group. I mean, really? Is AKS such a failure of an idol production company that they're just waiting to get lucky?

    I know it hasn't always been fair, but to most people here nowadays, it feels like they don't even belong in the group since most of their participation is in the theater, and most people here don't see the theater shows, only when their popular oshimen is on. The management doesn't really help with not pushing a group narrative (no stages, teams don't really mean anything anymore), but instead even getting more hardcore with competition (no bootstrapping if the member doesn't have initial high sales stats, shuffles, votings, etc.).

    So yeah, I apologize for being a bit mean. I mean, if Tomu do the things Naanya did the past few months, I would also be utterly disappointed and would make it really hard for me to support her anymore.
     
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  7. xcrossfacekillahx

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    Everyone is saying it's the last chance for Paruru to be in Kouhaku, so is Naanya's so please vote for her most especially the fans. I just had to plug in here.
     
  8. sscrla

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    But it's not quite the same. 12/31 is Paruru's last appearance with AKB48; we don't yet know when Naanya's will be.
     
  9. xcrossfacekillahx

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    However, Paruru has a better chance of making it to Kouhaku through the voting system even without the narrative compared to Naanya so it would be better to vote for her. How many people would look at the fact that she's graduating too even if it's not her last day with AKB?
     
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    Once again the bullshit armchair psychologists out of the woodwork to derail another thread with their "knowledge"


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  12. Cristina Salazar

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    did you people already vote for naanya already? can you help me though? how can i vote? (i only have 1 device so i will vote for naanya since she's the reason why i joined this fandom and yeah that announcement...)
     
  13. SenpaiPlease

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    I was pretty surprised when Naanya announced graduation back then, because little did I know about the whole thing (like "body issues", the bullying stuff, etc). So after coming here I felt better, because after all I've read, graduation seemed the happiest for her. A few days ago, however, some people started saying that AKS made her graduate along with Mikichan because of the scandal... Don't know how true this is
     
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    The graduation was completely her decision. She was probably fed up with everything happened to her.
     
  15. Rurouni

    Rurouni Stage48 Moderator Staff Member Stage48 Moderator

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    For Naanya, it seems that she was already uncomfortable in AKB. Without the scandal, she might have stayed, but with the scandal (thus management stop any push for her), probably it only make the decision to graduate easier. Miki is different tho. She looks to be comfortable in AKB and the scandal is probably the main factor on why Miki chose to graduate.
     
  16. dunkindonato

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    We're never really ever going to find out. Not unless either of them does a tell-all. And that kind of burning bridges is generally frowned upon. AKS no longer arbitrarily fires people who broke the rules as they've been content with reducing a girl's promotion relative to what she did (and to who she is). Far less noise and with arguably the same results.
     
  17. Silenka

    Silenka Rank 81-100 (Temporary Name) Retired Staff

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    This is a really fantastic post and it's all true. Nowadays fans tend to be fans only of their oshimen(s) rather than the entire group, and in the foreign fandom particularly, people tend to hide themselves away in their oshimen(s)' threads and attack anyone coming in who offers criticism like a bulldog protecting its yard. We should remember that all the girls are probably quite nice at heart, including Naanya, despite the poor decisions they might make, and try not to bring other fans down too much. But it's also important to be objective once in a while and realize that the fandom has changed along with the group, and @M4YUYU's post really does quite well at explaining exactly how it's changed and why. I think the overseas fan spirit of banding together to support the entire group probably died along with the team spirit in AKB. Now nearly every member is only out for herself and her post-grad career, and many fans' behavior reflects that as well. We should make an effort to remember that AKB is a business and the members are employees, not holy martyrs who can do no wrong and always need to be treated with kid gloves lest their fragile egos be bruised.

    As for Naanya (and Miki) being pressured or even made to leave by management... I can't deny it's a possibility, but I personally think it's unlikely.
    We haven't seen an overt "punishment" for a scandal since Murashige Anna was booted out of senbatsu, and that wasn't even AKB management making the decision. All scandals since what, Sasshi? have been essentially swept under the rug by management, and due to lack of obvious repercussions from the Naanya/Miki scandal, it's fairly clear that was swept under the rug as well. Both of them most likely could have kept on going in AKB for several years and all this would have blown over in time, even if their reputations never fully recovered.

    I think it's most likely that they both decided to graduate because of two factors: reputation after their scandal and weight gain. As for a reputation, it is notoriously difficult to build back up in the Japanese entertainment market. Unless you truly want your life's career to be entertainment, like Miichan does, the pain and hardship to build it back up is just not worth it. I know their scandal wasn't even very serious, but for reasons stated above in @M4YUYU's post (AKB members are being looked at more as individuals than as one part of a whole nowadays), even a small scandal can be very damaging, because there are 250 more girls who haven't scandaled at all. As for weight gain, both the girls are clearly gaining a lot of weight. We've been over this already earlier in the thread but suffice to say it is more difficult to be an idol when you have to strictly diet to keep fitting into your costumes. These two factors together would make a compelling reason for any member to choose to graduate. I don't think management would even have to pressure them to make that decision.
     
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  18. YukoOshimafan

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    @M4YUYU Paruru answered well to her push but she has asthma and had to take a long break. There are so many reasons for graduations,who knows the reasons behind them. We can only guess.
     
  19. rka

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    Slightly off-topic:

    "oshimen first, group second"-fans are actually OK ( i used to be one myself), as long as they realize that the group is the catalysator of your oshimen's success. Virtually everyone benefitted from Acchan's success, for example. I can only guess, but i think there were tensions between the fan armies of Yuko and Acchan, as well, but i think that - at that time - everyone really enjoyed being on AKB's shinkansen to success. I dont think i am exaggerating by stating that a lot of members were rewarded with pretty big agency contracts which they likely wouldnt have gotten without the AKB48 label.
    (As a sidenote, i feel like most of the veteran fans - at least the international ones - know each other from events and concerts back then, and this comradery should override many "Your oshi, my oshi"-shenagigans.) Nowadays, between 5 groups and more than 300 options to chose an oshimen from, the fandom has diversified greatly, with a smaller common ground but way more reasons to fight about (aka generation gap, kennin system, etc).

    Really off-topic:
    I have a reputation of being the forum's worst paruru hater (between the two of us: i am not), so why not acting according to the stereotype. I feel there is currently some kind of narrative in construction which tries to attest that Paruru was actually a real success story until unfortunate health problems forced her out. I think thats not depicting reality. Just saying.
     
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  20. YukoOshimafan

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    @rka I said that there are many reasons for a girl, for example, Naanya, to decide their own graduation:
    I didn´t try to push any narrative. I said that there are many reasons for a girl to graduate, including Paruru. I never called Paruru a mega success push, I said she didn´t fail, because is not like she never became popular or never reached Kami7. So yes, she became one of the most popular members. Even if she didn´t reach the level that people expected and she changed rankings. She had her flaws as well as other members had their own flaws. So maybe that also had to do with not reaching the first places. But I would say that her lack of AKB activities during half a year because of her chronic asthma also had to do with it. That can happen to any member who become sick and is on hiatus so many months.
     

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