[SCANDAL] Kashiwagi/Minegishi goukon scoop

I agree with that some what, that Yukirin not mention anything is probably a good move for her, not neccessary for Miichan, but to cover her own ass considering that both agencies (Nabe-Pro and Ogi-Pro) have contradictory stories and the players that were involved got official warning from their ball clubs.

But in case of Takamina and Yuko incidents, they are suppose to come out. Takamina being the daughter, even if she is not celebrity she would be the one that came out apologize for her mom, considering her mom is arrested and admitting to it. (even if the act was forced) It'll be that way even in U.S. (O.K. maybe in U.S. we'll get family shoving camera in reporter's face or something.)

As for Yuko, she was directly involved. She wasn't apologizing for Maeda, she was apologizing for been part of that party and worrying her fans, she didn't even mention Maeda in that thing.

 

It's also to protect Miichan and AKB.

If Yukirin tell this story: "I was phoned by Miichan to meet some of her friends, and since i thought it would be only girls, i held no suspicion. After arrive, i was surprised when Miichan also invite some man with her. I can't immediately leave but i do leave the first time i got the chance."

If this is what happens that night, then currently Yuki's silence is what protecting Miichan.
Can't really blame Miichan if she's being irresponsible, too..
What if these guys meet with Miichan at some show and then ask Miichan that he's Kashiwagi Yuki's fan and ask Miichan's help to arrange so he can meet Yukirin. Miichan being an understanding person, she agrees to help.

Since Yuki is serious person, asking directly is a no no and thus, Miichan lies to Yuki about the meeting.
Also, had Bunshun publish this Goukon's article without finding out Miichan's stayover, i'm pretty sure that Miichan will take responsibilities and offer her apology for being irresponsible.

 

You can't really make that claim. Because that is the side of story Nabe Pro is putting out and by no mean 100% fact and the comment Nabe Pro made actually made worse for Miichan even if they didn't mention the name.

Don't forget, Ogi Pro is saying something else that it was a girl only gathering and"no male involved".

Either way, base on the facts, the bottomline is that Yukirin somehow stayed at the bar all night and didn't leave until 7:30 AM and the 2 player also stayed around well after Mii-chan left.

Even if what Nabe Pro said is true, that Yukirin was unaware, that still doesn't explain why she would stay overnight, especially they also claim she didn't drink.

Sure Yukirin can say what you said, but what if Mii-chan counter back that "it was private gather between her and Yukirin and they just happen to the 2 players there so they ended up eating together, she left as soon as they finished eating and didn't knew Yukirin stayed all night in the bar."

Now, who looks more guilty?

Besides, this is not the first time Yukirin got dragged into the scandal. People tends to forgot that during the Sasshi scandal followups, Yukirin was also mentioned, but because there was no photos and the transfer, people forgot that Yukirin was mentioned various time in those follow articles as well.

Either way, not speaking is more good for herself, IMO than Miichan, because if she do speak, she'll also have to answer why she stayed overnight, and that would be more damaging than this Goukon being set up by Miichan.

 

Err.. the point is.. bunshun created the news in such a way that tiniest response from any party would imediately used to turn against them, creating more news for bunshun to publish, creating more money on them.

Let's say agency A will say that the fact is 'A', agency B with 'B' as a fact and so on.

Since all those reported evidence is so contradicting, all agency have one common method to keep this under control, to keep their mouth shut. Any words spoken from related party will turn this scandal into slaughterfest and we don't want that to happen.


If anyone say anything, it's bunshun's win.

 

AKB creates news and buzz so that they can make money too.
There is only one fact, the fact that two agencies have to say different things mean that they have a secret to keep. I understand why Yukirin has to keep quiet at this point. but to blame SB for this is unfair. if they didnt go to hang out from midnight to 7pm with J-league players, there would be no story. SB did nothing to make this happens. SB expands resources to take pictures, and prints the story to make money. same as AKB expands resources to do elections so that fans can buy multiple copies of the same single.
I like Yukirin and I think she is clean, and i hope she learns something from this incident. but to blame this solely on SB is unfair and unjust.

 

She did? if you listened to all the ANN radio and Kayou Kyoku when they covered the news, then it was kind of obvious? I'm not saying that she had sex or something like that because that wasn't stated anywhere but Bunshun really had evidence that time. There were 3 articles by SB on that sasshi scandal. Meanwhile there was only one for acchan (they even said they would release a followup but never did)

Again, i'll blame the girls when enough evidence has surfaced and all doubt is eliminated. Miichan shaving her head bald and making a whole apology video with the demotion is an official response from AKS/Ogi, there is no reason to not believe the article. (again, no where in the article was sex written so it's not a sex scandal)

Logic is a very bad excuse because everyone has varying degrees of logic. One might assume the worst while another might assume the most favorable situation. logic leads to assumption. Assuming the worst is playing SB's game. If SB never went into the restaurant, how would they really know? They left that up for people to assume. And how would they know that Yukirin said something like "It's just a game, we just gotta not get caught."

About Yukirin being there, it's possible but i'd like more evidence anyways. the pictures don't show her talking to the men, she(if that is her) has shopping bags from 1am to 7:45 am... why? Where is miichan in the pictures? Why is the article mostly about miichan and not yukirin? Why aren't there pictures where you can see their faces?

I'm not blaming SB, but they don't necessarily have the greatest reputation and i'd like to see more evidence and a greater degree of journalism than they have shown from this article and the pictures that came with it.

The problem with this is the assumption that everything SB written was true. How would they know the agency responses if the agencies themselves won't release their statements to the public? How do they know that Aki-p had a personal meeting with miichan 2 days before the publication?

 

Exactly, so it's not fair for you to say that Yukirin' silence is more beneficial to Miichan and AKB when there is equal chance that she is just protecting herself.

That is all I'm trying to say.

@ icehism

Agree, but that's not really my point. I was only using it as an example to counter neko_maoh's assumption.

Though I do think you went a bit far on questioning SB's statements. They were quotes, they won't put agencies' names if they had not talk to agencies to varify their assumption. As unreluable as SB usuaaly is, that is something no media will do unless they are asking to be sued.

And why are the shopping bags matters? She went in with the bags, of course she came out with the bags. Unless they were different bags, then we got something to question about.

 

you mean "2 birds with one stone", right!?
hhhhmmm.... [wonder]


i wonder why they only show the pics when they came-out? [wonder] why not when they came-in too? [wonder]

 

@Taker

But we don't know if it's fabricated or not. If they have no problems giving answers to a tabloid that's purely out for profit and will eventually say what they said, they should have no problems giving answers to the public who wants them.

IF it was fabricated, they wouldn't be the first nor the last. There's a lot more tabloids than just SB and i wouldn't be surprised if it is easier to ignore them than take them seriously.

 

Exactly. While they could have just ignored this at another point in time, in the face of Miichans' scandal it's necessary that they at least make a statement clearing up peoples' suspicions and explaining the truth.

 

Unless Yukirin is hiding something, so she shouldn't be afraid to tell the truth.

 

That's what I'm trying to say - if they're telling the truth and nothing happened, then they shouldn't hesitate to release a statement settling things.

 

But you are missing the point, no media can pull a story out of their butt without "some" basis. Even a tabloid one like SB.

The quote the agency by name in article shows that there is a certain truth to it. How much it's true, we don't know.

If everything is fabricated like you said, then agencies would already sue SB's ass off and the ballclub won't need to release statements that they officially warn the two players involved

What we know as facts are:

Yukirn, Miichan, the two ball players are in the same bar (based on agencies quotes) and in the same Karaoke room(by the bartender). And that Yukirin stayed and left in the morning. (photo)

Everything else is up for interpretation, but those are the points that we DO know as minimum facts.

Otherwise, the agencies and girls would already be suing their asses off to force SB to settle like Mariko and Aki-P did, now that is a report with zero quotes and photos other than some circumstantial guesses and theories.

 

Nah, we don't know that. Bunshun says so, so it's assumed. The bartender wouldn't tell journalists a thing about customers.

It's an issue of deduction and likelihood. They were there together, so chances are they were together in the karaoke room as well. The guys could have stayed to drink at the counter while the girls were singing. Someone could have been dozing in the bar after too much drink instead of doing karaoke. The porn star and one of the soccer players might already be having a relationship so it's possible they didn't join the others in the karaoke room to be for themselves.
Not that that's likely, but... just saying. We don't know that.

 

Wait a second, I thought there was a quote from the bartender...

I'll go check the article again, because if that's the case, then this story has less leg then I even thought. (Not that I think it was anything to begin with, just like how I didn't care for Sasshi's because it really comes down to he say she says)

And the biggest blows might come from the stupid agencies by contradicting each other (somewhat) and the ballclub's stupid warnings.

 

I don't think the agencies said contradicted statements. Both said same: it's only all female gathering, but only NabeEnt added, there were guys already waited there. Ogi just didn't say anything about the boys. They probably knew it, just didn't mention it.

And, SB didn't mention bartender at all... So yeah, it's probably SB assumption to say they're all in same room together.

After Miichan left, there's still another Miichan's female friend with them right? Where was she? [wonder]

 

well, not really. I've seen it happen before but it didn't involve akb fandom so I wont discuss it here . Not that I think it applies in this case

 

You'd be surprised. And i'm talking in general, not restricted to akb cases. Tabloids don't just exist in japan you know?

And, we'd see a lot more tabloids getting sued if that was the case btw. but nope.

 

@ drazaar
I agree with you, but usually when that happen it means automatic lawsuit or quote from "anonymous" individual but that is not the case here. SB at least quoted both Ogi and Nabe on this so we know that they were in the bar.

But like HRP said, we just don't know what they did in the bar.

Now if they don't even have the bartender quote, then it's even less of a story other then both agencies got duped for idiotic comments.

@icehism

That's because the usually got protected with the "anonymous" tip and quotes and press confidentiality. But that is not the case here.

Though I would agree with you that this is nothing when they didn't even have the quotes or any other sources either from the bartender or taxi drivers.

Anyway,

I just realized, why in the hell are we arguing about this in the first place. I didn't think this was a big deal to begin with.

I was just replying to neko_maoh's assumption that Yukirin staying quiet is to protect Miichan and AKB, which is bull because if you are going on the basis that the story is true, then Yukirin definitely was not free of blame.

 

after all this time y'all just realize that!?
this mean y'all almost sucked-in by "black"hole,
escape, while you still can.
or you will end up like me, trapped in yukirin's world